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the "D" shape R/D longbow appreciation thread!

Started by Rob DiStefano, November 07, 2011, 06:27:00 PM

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Gufunk

I think this qualifies for this thread. Tall Tines LB 64" 54@28.....i just love it. Third one down on rack!

Excel 21" w/Kaya Tomcats 40#
Excel 21" w/SF Axioms #35
Morrison Phoenix 19" w/ Max 1 #48
Toelke Lynx 66" LB 50#
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Ralphie

For what it is worth, Here are the rules by which the Howard Hill annual competition in Alabama adheres to. One's bow has to adhere to this to shoot in the competition.
I was told almost no reflex reflex bows can be used.

My apologies if this has already been mentioned; I went through the thread quickly, and only read it       "a little bit, all the way through".

the rules;

These specs are also used for the Texas Longbow Championship.

Acceptable Bows Must Meet The Following Specifications: Only Howard Hill Longbows, Howard Hill Style Longbows or Straight Limb Longbows Will Be Allowed To Participate In This Competition No Weighted Risers ~ No Center Shot Longbows ~ No Pistol Grip Handles Bow Specifications: Maximum Handle Dimensions: 3 Inches Above Shelf, Bow Cannot Be Thicker Than 1 1/8 Inches (Back To Belly) From This Point To Tip Of Bow 6 Inches Below Shelf, Bow Cannot Be Thicker Than 1 ½ Inches (Back To Belly) From This Point To Tip Braced Bows Cannot Have The String Touch Either Limb After The String Leaves The Tip There Will Be A Jig To Place The Bow In To See If It Meets Requirements
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coaster500

Just finished this Osage selfbow...  I was trying to get that R/D "D" look and draw feel. It's 63 50@27 ...  shoots sweet.



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Steve Clandinin

Quote from Howard Hill.( Whenever he taught someone to shoot) "Son make up your mind right now if you want to target shoot or hunt as theres a world of differance between the two"

Bladepeek

Well, she's new to me, but no beginner. Carries lots of mojo (pigs, coyotes, deer) from her previous owner.

Mohawk Sparrowhawk, 66", 45@28. Arrived this morning in the mail and I just had to quit shooting 2 1/2 hours later - totally worn out. Haven't had a chance to tune up some arrows yet. She's not cut to center and I was shooting some set up for my 44# hybrid, so they are hitting well left, but very consistantly left. Groups are as tight as any I've ever shot, group after group after group.....

This one's a keeper for sure.



60" Bear Super K LH 40#@28
69" Matt Meacham LH 42@28
66" Swift Wing LH 35@28
54" Java Man Elk Heart LH 43@28
62"/58" RER LXR LH 44/40@28

coaster500

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Pokerdaddy

I never get tired of rereading this thread!  Great stuff.
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Rob DiStefano

QuoteOriginally posted by Ralphie:
For what it is worth, Here are the rules by which the Howard Hill annual competition in Alabama adheres to. One's bow has to adhere to this to shoot in the competition.
I was told almost no reflex reflex bows can be used.

My apologies if this has already been mentioned; I went through the thread quickly, and only read it       "a little bit, all the way through".

the rules;

These specs are also used for the Texas Longbow Championship.

Acceptable Bows Must Meet The Following Specifications: Only Howard Hill Longbows, Howard Hill Style Longbows or Straight Limb Longbows Will Be Allowed To Participate In This Competition No Weighted Risers ~ No Center Shot Longbows ~ No Pistol Grip Handles Bow Specifications: Maximum Handle Dimensions: 3 Inches Above Shelf, Bow Cannot Be Thicker Than 1 1/8 Inches (Back To Belly) From This Point To Tip Of Bow 6 Inches Below Shelf, Bow Cannot Be Thicker Than 1 ½ Inches (Back To Belly) From This Point To Tip Braced Bows Cannot Have The String Touch Either Limb After The String Leaves The Tip There Will Be A Jig To Place The Bow In To See If It Meets Requirements
at the risk of hijacking my own topic, this thread is about HYBRID R/D longbows that brace to a "D" shape, not about hill style longbows, which are clearly AFL's - American Flat Longbows that are straight limbed, or have subtle limb REFLEX or BACK SET (aka "STRING FOLLOW").

i'm amazed at how many folks still don't understand the difference 'tween a "hill style AFL" longbow and any manner of "hybrid r/d longbow".

fwiw and imho, the texas AFL rules are overkill.  it's quite easy to tell the difference 'tween an AFL and a longbow that has any amount of r/d snake to the limbs, and that's all that should matter.  dimensioning an AFL does it no justice - who cares what the limb core dimensions are or whether it cut to center shot or not?  what bearing does any of that have to do with anything?  well, performance-wise, *nothing* at all.  the ONLY really noticeable performance boost will occur when you snake the limbs to some form of r/d ... or d/r, however one wants to align the "reflex" and "deflex" words - reflex in the limbs, deflex in the riser.  

all that matters with an AFL is that the limbs aren't r/d in any way, and that the bowstring only touches the limb nocks, as it should with any longbow whether AFL or aggressive r/d hybrid.
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bayhunter

Rob would the tolke d be considered a hill or r/d?

Gil Verwey

Here is my favorite bow. I haven't found another to compare to it.

Zero hand shock, performs great and dead silent. I shoot it great too, compared to any other bow I shoot or have shot.





Here is a group at 20 yds. I like it!

TGMM Family of the bow.

Rob DiStefano

QuoteOriginally posted by bayhunter:
Rob would the tolke d be considered a hill or r/d?
i don't know.  just saying a bow is a "D" means NOTHING.  

i looked at dan's site and saw his "super D" but didn't see any images of it unbraced and full length - that is the ONLY way to tell whether a longbow is a hill style AFL or a hybrid r/d that braces to a "D" shape.  those two longbow types are worlds apart in both shooting "feel" and performance.
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PaddyMac

Here is a shot of my riser and grip, with its pistol grip (which is what makes it a "hybrid," right?) I thought the shape would ease the transition from recurve to longbow and make it easier to go back and forth.

Pat McGann

Southwest Archery Scorpion longbow, 35#
Fleetwood Frontier longbow, 40#
Southwest Archery Scorpion, 45#
Bob Lee Exotic Stickbow, 51#
Bob Lee Signature T/D recurve, 47#
Bob Lee Signature T/D recurve, 55#
Howatt Palomar recurve (69"), 40#

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Rob DiStefano

QuoteOriginally posted by PaddyMac:
Here is a shot of my riser and grip, with its pistol grip (which is what makes it a "hybrid," right?) I thought the shape would ease the transition from recurve to longbow and make it easier to go back and forth.

 
NO, a hybrid longbow has nothing to do with the handle/grip shape.  neither does a an AFL hill style longbow.  

for a hybrid longbow to be a hybrid, it's all about the limb riser design, 'R/D'. REFLEX/DEFLEX - "look for the snake" when unbraced!
IAM ~ The only government I trust is my .45-70

PaddyMac

Pat McGann

Southwest Archery Scorpion longbow, 35#
Fleetwood Frontier longbow, 40#
Southwest Archery Scorpion, 45#
Bob Lee Exotic Stickbow, 51#
Bob Lee Signature T/D recurve, 47#
Bob Lee Signature T/D recurve, 55#
Howatt Palomar recurve (69"), 40#

"If you leave archery for one day, it will leave you for 10 days."  --Turkish proverb

Rob DiStefano

QuoteOriginally posted by PaddyMac:
Ah. Got it. Thanks. Yup. Mine has that.
there ya go!     :thumbsup:
IAM ~ The only government I trust is my .45-70

awbowman

QuoteOriginally posted by Rob DiStefano:
 
QuoteOriginally posted by bayhunter:
Rob would the tolke d be considered a hill or r/d?
i don't know.  just saying a bow is a "D" means NOTHING.  

i looked at dan's site and saw his "super D" but didn't see any images of it unbraced and full length - that is the ONLY way to tell whether a longbow is a hill style AFL or a hybrid r/d that braces to a "D" shape.  those two longbow types are worlds apart in both shooting "feel" and performance. [/b]
I'm a newbie, but I do have a Super D.  The best way I can describe it is:

Unbraced the end of the tips have a very slight curve AWAY from the grip (I'd say between 1/8" to 1/4" reflex). In other words, if you layed the bow horizontal on a table with the BACK of the bow facing the table, the grip would be about 1/8 to 1/4" off the table.  It has no deflex in the handle or the limbs that I can tell.  Not sure if it would qualify for a AFL. It braces to a "D" shape, that's for sure.
62" Super D, 47#s @ 25-1/2"
58" TS Mag, 53#s @ 26"
56" Bighorn, 46#s @ 26.5"

khardrunner

take a pic unbraced and we can figure it out in about 2 seconds
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jsweka

A picture is worth a thousand words.
This should help folks tell the difference between r/d and hill styles.

please, pix no wider than 64o

http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/LongbowTypes.jpg
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slivrslingr

Dave Johnson Thunderbird







It's left handed and a bit heavy for shooting on my "wrong" side but a really nice bow.  When I get back Stateside, I'm either going to put it back up for sale or see about taking some weight off.

awbowman

QuoteOriginally posted by jsweka:
A picture is worth a thousand words.
This should help folks tell the difference between r/d and hill styles.

please, pix no wider than 64o

  http://i954.photobucket.com/albums/ae23/jsweka/LongbowTypes.jpg  
I'll process some pictures tomorrow.  It's closest to the Hill Reflex except only about the last 8" of the tips show any reflex.  The rest of the bow is straight.  I don't really care what it is, it's the best shooting bow i have ever placed my hand on.
62" Super D, 47#s @ 25-1/2"
58" TS Mag, 53#s @ 26"
56" Bighorn, 46#s @ 26.5"

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