Post by: EvilDogBeast on February 10, 2025, 08:25:32 PM
Assignments Sent Out: 11 February 2025
Official Build Period: 12 February 2025 - 2 June 2025
Grace Period: 3 June 2025 - 27 June 2025
Minimum one post per week!
**You MUST post a full-draw picture upon receipt of your bow. NO EXCEPTIONS!**
Good luck everyone. :campfire:
*Build and Grace Period dates adjusted to reflect assignment delay.*
Post by: EvilDogBeast on February 10, 2025, 08:26:55 PM
Post by: kennym on February 10, 2025, 08:44:50 PM
Post by: 4 point on February 10, 2025, 09:30:06 PM
Post by: dbeaver on February 11, 2025, 09:15:27 AM
Post by: Watsonjay on February 11, 2025, 10:45:27 AM
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on February 11, 2025, 10:57:23 AM
Kyle
Post by: dbeaver on February 11, 2025, 11:30:47 AM
If you do black walnut do you keep it mostly sapwood, ive read a tiny bit about black walnut selfbows but the only log i ever scored was twisting about a quarter turn and checking
Post by: Watsonjay on February 11, 2025, 12:07:18 PM
Post by: dbeaver on February 11, 2025, 01:12:16 PM
Quote from: Mad Max on March 19, 2021, 05:15:34 PM
You need to glue up all the stripe pieces to the riser at 1 time, top stripe. Like mike said
Then cut the riser again for the second stripe, bottom stripe
(https://i.imgur.com/uKr33jr.jpg)
I don't know of a build along.
Thickness pieces of .062 or less will do most bends
Maybe this will help.
This is 2 separate builds
blocks are 2x2x 3/4 and 2x2x 3/16
glue them together.
(https://i.imgur.com/AHnxjME.jpg)
Resaw and grind to .050, these need to be sanded
(https://i.imgur.com/h15NO0Z.jpg)
Phenolic ground to .0375---total stack 1/8"
(https://i.imgur.com/HxQyCdb.jpg)
There is some info here but, same as I said
http://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=152514.100
Post by: Watsonjay on February 11, 2025, 02:10:34 PM
Post by: dbeaver on February 11, 2025, 02:29:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d36fXljZfbQ
thats a clip of someone squaring one up
Post by: Watsonjay on February 11, 2025, 02:46:20 PM
Post by: sman on February 11, 2025, 04:15:07 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on February 11, 2025, 05:03:35 PM
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on February 11, 2025, 08:42:26 PM
Kyle
Post by: EvilDogBeast on February 11, 2025, 11:57:13 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on February 12, 2025, 02:11:40 PM
Quote from: EvilDogBeast on February 11, 2025, 11:57:13 PMThank you for coordinating this, Im sure it takes a bit of work.
Almost finished, had to go to work. I'll make the final assignments and send PMs when I get home.
Post by: 4 point on February 12, 2025, 02:34:58 PM
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Post by: Watsonjay on February 12, 2025, 02:38:13 PM
Quote from: 4 point on February 12, 2025, 02:34:58 PMIs that osage and walnut?
Think this is what I'm going with.
Post by: EvilDogBeast on February 12, 2025, 03:09:17 PM
Post by: 4 point on February 12, 2025, 03:21:39 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on February 12, 2025, 03:25:31 PM
Quote from: EvilDogBeast on February 12, 2025, 03:09:17 PMYeahhhh. Victims Beware!!!
Alright, I think I have everything squared away. PM's going out.
Post by: EvilDogBeast on February 12, 2025, 04:12:47 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on February 12, 2025, 06:59:04 PM
Post by: kennym on February 12, 2025, 07:08:53 PM
Post by: Jon Lipovac on February 13, 2025, 08:28:42 PM
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Post by: Kirkll on February 14, 2025, 12:30:01 AM
Quote from: Watsonjay on February 12, 2025, 06:59:04 PM
Well, I've decided what I'm going to do. I'm going to use a kids bow pattern I got from KennyM and try to modify it to be a 54" short hybrid, long bow/recurve. That will hit 60 pounds and hopefully hit 31 inch draw without stacking too bad. And I'll have to beef up the riser a little Ive only gone to 45 before. Well out of my comfort zone.
Building a 54" bow that draws 31" without stacking may prove to be a challenge. I would take a long look at Ron LaClairs shrew design. That design will do it in a 52" length.
Beware of using too much deflex sweep in your limb design. There is a lot to be said for leaving a flat section to regulate the draw length and change the working limb length without changing limb length. .02 cents worth...
Post by: Watsonjay on February 14, 2025, 07:30:26 AM
Quote from: Kirkll on February 14, 2025, 12:30:01 AMThe kids bow template I got from Kenny and and have made a few of with great success is basically a clone of the shrew bow. My buddy waited a year for his when we compared them they were basically the same. I just want to throw a bit more reflex into the tips.Quote from: Watsonjay on February 12, 2025, 06:59:04 PM
Well, I've decided what I'm going to do. I'm going to use a kids bow pattern I got from KennyM and try to modify it to be a 54" short hybrid, long bow/recurve. That will hit 60 pounds and hopefully hit 31 inch draw without stacking too bad. And I'll have to beef up the riser a little Ive only gone to 45 before. Well out of my comfort zone.
Building a 54" bow that draws 31" without stacking may prove to be a challenge. I would take a long look at Ron LaClairs shrew design. That design will do it in a 52" length.
Beware of using too much deflex sweep in your limb design. There is a lot to be said for leaving a flat section to regulate the draw length and change the working limb length without changing limb length. .02 cents worth...
This is a previous one I did
Post by: kennym on February 14, 2025, 08:31:40 AM
I've never seen a Shrew bow, but have studied many bow designs...
Post by: Watsonjay on February 14, 2025, 09:26:35 AM
Quote from: kennym on February 14, 2025, 08:31:40 AMI wasn't trying to say anything, just that the design is already close to the bow he referenced. I love the design, thanks for putting the effort into it and offering to me.
It may look like a clone of a Shrew, but it took me 4 forms and a bunch of bows leaning in the corner to get what I wanted. :biglaugh:
I've never seen a Shrew bow, but have studied many bow designs...
Post by: kennym on February 14, 2025, 11:09:48 AM
My apologies to him and Shrew if it's similar!!
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Post by: Watsonjay on February 14, 2025, 03:58:26 PM
Quote from: kennym on February 14, 2025, 01:08:01 PMThose are beautiful
Is a maybe considered a progress? :saywhat:
Post by: Watsonjay on February 14, 2025, 04:27:48 PM
Quote from: kennym on February 14, 2025, 11:09:48 AMI just went and looked at the Java bows and that elkheart magnum is exactly what I was wanting to do just a bit mire reflex in the tips.
I know, the only reason I went that direction was I saw Gregg Coffee was making a 52" and it was challenging.
My apologies to him and Shrew if it's similar!!
Post by: Kirkll on February 14, 2025, 08:43:15 PM
Why do you want more reflex in the tips?
Post by: Watsonjay on February 14, 2025, 09:49:35 PM
Quote from: Kirkll on February 14, 2025, 08:43:15 PMThinking it will help string angle at longer draws to reduce stacking as well as gain a little speed.
That Elkheart magnum looks a lot like the ones I used to build in 52-54" length. Good looking design.
Why do you want more reflex in the tips?
Post by: Watsonjay on February 14, 2025, 10:26:21 PM
Post by: Noah70 on February 14, 2025, 11:57:02 PM
Also have a number of good options for some nice veneers, but I have a lot of wood so still moving around all the options till I get a "eureka!" moment. Might be a while? My most recent longbow limbs came in 10# over, so I have some work to do in the meantime.
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Post by: Watsonjay on February 15, 2025, 09:17:45 AM
Quote from: Noah70 on February 14, 2025, 11:57:02 PMwhat is the bottom wood on the second limb from the left? It is really cool, but so is the left
Still in the "maybe" stage here too. Dug out a piece of 1/4 sawn Bubinga, no distinctive grain character, but so dense and heavy I'm sure it wouldn't float. Maybe a contender for a very strong riser?
Also have a number of good options for some nice veneers, but I have a lot of wood so still moving around all the options till I get a "eureka!" moment. Might be a while? My most recent longbow limbs came in 10# over, so I have some work to do in the meantime.
Post by: Noah70 on February 15, 2025, 12:00:22 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on February 15, 2025, 12:25:14 PM
Quote from: Noah70 on February 15, 2025, 12:00:22 PMI've used zebra a couple times , but haven't seen it with that wide of bands in it, at first I thought it was snakewood but that stuff is way too expensive. Either way beautiful combinations
Left to right - Quilted Maple, Jatoba over Zebrawood, Olivewood over Wenge, Paduak over Wenge.
Post by: kennym on February 15, 2025, 01:12:41 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on February 15, 2025, 02:33:18 PM
Quote from: kennym on February 15, 2025, 01:12:41 PMThe rate your moving, youll be done this week!
Hmmmm...
Post by: Kirkll on February 15, 2025, 07:00:09 PM
Quote from: Watsonjay on February 14, 2025, 09:49:35 PMQuote from: Kirkll on February 14, 2025, 08:43:15 PMThinking it will help string angle at longer draws to reduce stacking as well as gain a little speed.
That Elkheart magnum looks a lot like the ones I used to build in 52-54" length. Good looking design.
Why do you want more reflex in the tips?
Good luck with that... let us know how it comes out.
Post by: Watsonjay on February 15, 2025, 07:30:24 PM
Quote from: Kirkll on February 15, 2025, 07:00:09 PMHopefully some lucky victim will be the judge of that. :biglaugh: :biglaugh:Quote from: Watsonjay on February 14, 2025, 09:49:35 PMQuote from: Kirkll on February 14, 2025, 08:43:15 PMThinking it will help string angle at longer draws to reduce stacking as well as gain a little speed.
That Elkheart magnum looks a lot like the ones I used to build in 52-54" length. Good looking design.
Why do you want more reflex in the tips?
Good luck with that... let us know how it comes out.
Post by: Watsonjay on February 15, 2025, 07:32:07 PM
Quote from: Kirkll on February 15, 2025, 07:00:09 PMJust out of curiosity why did you stop making them?Quote from: Watsonjay on February 14, 2025, 09:49:35 PMQuote from: Kirkll on February 14, 2025, 08:43:15 PMThinking it will help string angle at longer draws to reduce stacking as well as gain a little speed.
That Elkheart magnum looks a lot like the ones I used to build in 52-54" length. Good looking design.
Why do you want more reflex in the tips?
Good luck with that... let us know how it comes out.
Post by: Kirkll on February 16, 2025, 12:29:49 PM
Building custom one piece 52-54" bows, if you miss draw weight by too much, you have to start again, and try and find a home for the others.... Not being real popular I ended up setting on a few for a couple years, and I took very few orders for new ones.... So I just set the form aside and quit building them. Kirk
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on February 16, 2025, 02:04:35 PM
Kyle
Post by: 4 point on February 16, 2025, 04:35:50 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on February 16, 2025, 06:00:49 PM
Quote from: 4 point on February 16, 2025, 04:35:50 PMIve made a couple for a buddy of mine that would never shoot less than 60" because he couldn't shoot anything shorter accurately and he only shoots the ones Ive made now and even ordered a shrew, then realized he likes mine more. He is only a 29" draw though.
Those really short bows are hard to get a good release for me. Even if they draw smoothly to a long draw length the string angle is terrible. A friend of mine shoots two fingers under with his shrew to help with finger pinch.
Post by: Watsonjay on February 16, 2025, 06:04:51 PM
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Post by: Jon Lipovac on February 18, 2025, 07:54:20 PM
Stabilized Spalted Maple with Stabilzed Walnut I-Beam and flare. Red phenolic and black G10 accent. Hope my victim likes a heavy riser.....
Post by: Noah70 on February 18, 2025, 11:51:51 PM
I'm starting to assemble the lams for the limbs, but if they don't fall into the weight parameters then this riser will be laid aside and the victim will be moving to a recurve rather than a longbow. All good!
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Post by: Watsonjay on February 19, 2025, 07:14:35 AM
Quote from: Noah70 on February 18, 2025, 11:51:51 PMLooking sharp!!!
Riser for this unit is ready for the next stages. I had made up the block for mosaic strips at a 45 angle, thinking it would create an interesting look if the "dots" were at an angle. Turns out that at .020 thickness you have to squint really hard to see that. Duh !! :banghead:
I'm starting to assemble the lams for the limbs, but if they don't fall into the weight parameters then this riser will be laid aside and the victim will be moving to a recurve rather than a longbow. All good!
Post by: Watsonjay on February 19, 2025, 07:54:47 PM
Post by: 4 point on February 19, 2025, 08:18:37 PM
I put a string on my victims bow. It's five pounds over, should be right in the sweet spot when finished. One more set of overlays to glue on.
Post by: Kirkll on February 19, 2025, 08:35:16 PM
Quote from: Watsonjay on February 19, 2025, 07:54:47 PM
Finished form. Little bit more reflex at tips and thicker riser. This is a bow of kennys original kid bow form
Be sure and seal that LVL material with shellac real well. Did you sand that thing down to 1.75" thickness?
Post by: Watsonjay on February 19, 2025, 09:53:17 PM
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Post by: dbeaver on February 20, 2025, 07:49:29 AM
Behind on pics but I have a riser glued up and lams ready for taper glass and accents will be on their way soon.
going to spend some extra time between steps to cap the prepped riser blank with stabilcore so when the bow is laid up there's a black accent framing the riser within the bow and continue down between the lams to the tip. A nice accent down the neutral plane of the limb.
Post by: Watsonjay on February 20, 2025, 08:12:52 AM
Quote from: dbeaver on February 20, 2025, 07:49:29 AMI have some stabilcore too do you guys think it is wasted putting in a narrow limbed longbow or would it add anything to its performance. Thanks for the advise.
Such great progress all around and some real lookers so far.
Behind on pics but I have a riser glued up and lams ready for taper glass and accents will be on their way soon.
going to spend some extra time between steps to cap the prepped riser blank with stabilcore so when the bow is laid up there's a black accent framing the riser within the bow and continue down between the lams to the tip. A nice accent down the neutral plane of the limb.
Post by: dbeaver on February 20, 2025, 08:26:53 AM
Truth is you can find all sorts of info about that on old threads and even on some very recent ones there's been plenty of discussion on stabilcore. You'll find that some and very few designs will actually ever need it and plenty of folks would tell you to swap it for a layer of carbon of their preference to get more bang for your buck on weight and torsional stability.
Post by: Watsonjay on February 20, 2025, 09:42:43 AM
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Post by: Noah70 on February 20, 2025, 06:59:06 PM
Got my first riser done as far as its going for now, need to concentrate on the limbs for a while. Might require a new form. Starting on a recurve riser as well, just in case.
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Post by: kennym on February 20, 2025, 07:39:15 PM
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Post by: kennym on February 21, 2025, 02:42:55 PM
I think Bear uses same tho, but I don't want a bow to give up on anybody so prob too concerned for nothing...
Post by: Jon Lipovac on February 21, 2025, 03:32:20 PM
I'm always amazed at how much Cactus Juice the soft maple soak up.
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on February 21, 2025, 06:58:11 PM
I've got a game plan for this weekend. I'm gonna get the curly hackberry roughed out and tillered to brace before I heat treat and prep for a sinew backing. I'm hoping it's ready to go by deadline, if so and it holds up it'll get a birch bark cover over the sinew and see how a ferric nitrate treatment does on the hackberry.
But while it cures I'll start up another bow of some kind. Probably a walnut something or other.
Kyle
Post by: 4 point on February 21, 2025, 09:29:45 PM
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on February 22, 2025, 12:38:48 PM
Kyle
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on February 22, 2025, 03:43:29 PM
Kyle
Post by: Watsonjay on February 22, 2025, 04:03:07 PM
Quote from: Mo_coon-catcher on February 22, 2025, 03:43:29 PMwow, you did a lot today!
Floor tillered and ready for shaping and heat treating. Currently debating on a rawhide backing or a layer of sinew to help it hold together. Im excited to see if it holds up so I can see how the character finishes out.
Kyle
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on February 22, 2025, 04:28:57 PM
Kyle
Post by: Watsonjay on February 22, 2025, 04:58:51 PM
Quote from: Mo_coon-catcher on February 22, 2025, 04:28:57 PMif I saw that on the ground I'd jump back 10ft
I don't get many days to work on bows lately so I make as much use of the time I get. I'm hoping to get to another bows tillering after I get done heat treating, shaping is done. I also managed to get the handle for a different project all glued up to shape.
Kyle
Post by: kennym on February 22, 2025, 05:24:17 PM
This is a little bland I think ...
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on February 22, 2025, 06:03:18 PM
The hackberry is shaped with a mild heat treat. I do an hour on each limb and my toes are a bit frozen. But good enough to get tiller started.
Kyle
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on February 23, 2025, 07:37:33 PM
Kyle
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Post by: Watsonjay on March 01, 2025, 01:26:13 PM
Quote from: 4 point on March 01, 2025, 12:29:40 PMlooking really nice!! What did you use for the white accent lines? I bought some light hickory to use for accent lines but I don't think it looks that light. Maybe just because it isnt next to darker wood??
Risers ready for finishing. Little fine tuning left on the limbs
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Post by: Kirkll on March 02, 2025, 02:07:17 PM
Quote from: Watsonjay on March 02, 2025, 01:11:07 PM
Crazy how much whiter maple looks after you glue it in with other woods
Actually it will tone down a bit after you finish it. Also using thinner accent strips doesn't make it jump out so much. I like to run them about .030 myself.
These have 2 accent strips at .030
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Post by: Watsonjay on March 02, 2025, 02:43:16 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on March 02, 2025, 02:47:30 PM
Quote from: 4 point on March 01, 2025, 12:29:40 PMI really like how you shaped under the left side of the shelf
Risers ready for finishing. Little fine tuning left on the limbs
Post by: Watsonjay on March 03, 2025, 09:40:08 PM
Post by: Jon Lipovac on March 04, 2025, 07:43:00 AM
Quote from: Watsonjay on March 03, 2025, 09:40:08 PM
Another setback. Did a dry run on glue up and both the back and belly lams snapped where I spliced them. .120 and .090. Guess I will have to make 4 lams i stead of 2.
I don't have much exerience in once piece bows except the one that I have done. But, IMO, that seems like a pretty tight radius to curve a .090 lam let alone a .120 lam around regardless if it is spliced or not.
For those of you that do this regularly, would it make sense to have a 12"-16" section through the middle? Meaning, 2 splices instead of 1 so the splices end up on the belly/back ramps instead of the apex of the riser? I believe you might get away with something like that if you still wanted to use 2 core lams vs 4.
What do you guys think?
Post by: dbeaver on March 04, 2025, 07:56:32 AM
More thin lams will bend easier and arguments have been made that will also be stronger because a composite of laminations inherently strengthen the base material. BUT there's the counter argument of more glue equals more weight which could dog down performamce. Another place where each bow design will probably optimize slightly different.
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Post by: Kirkll on March 04, 2025, 12:34:23 PM
QuoteMore thin lams will bend easier and arguments have been made that will also be stronger because a composite of laminations inherently strengthen the base material. BUT there's the counter argument of more glue equals more weight which could dog down performance. Another place where each bow design will probably optimize slightly different.
I think you will find that you will get better performance and stability to your limbs with more laminations. The spring back coming out of the form will be less too, which adds a bit of draw weight and increases performance. Those extra glue lines are not adding enough limb mass weight to be noticeable.
.02 cents worth
Post by: Watsonjay on March 04, 2025, 12:57:51 PM
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Post by: kennym on March 05, 2025, 07:38:50 PM
I ordered 2 rolls of Bearpaw but it not here yet either.
I have a willow stick picked out... :laughing:
Post by: Noah70 on March 05, 2025, 08:07:08 PM
Pretty sure it would be a fine looking willow stick too, Kenny!!
On the subject of reporting - I also have little to report. I changed direction from the initial riser and limbs I had planned - riser is fine but limbs not cooperating (unless victim starts going to the Gym ). So rather than experiment more, its back to what I have charts for.
Spring has come early here, so the annual bucket list (hers, not mine) was posted on the shop door a few days ago. Oddly, Trad Bow Swap was not on it.
Limbs are Wenge/Olivewood veneer, edge grain Bamboo, and edge grain Yew heartwood.
Victim will have to put up with my last old chunk of Rosewood for riser. Going slow!
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Post by: Jon Lipovac on March 05, 2025, 11:10:41 PM
My victims limbs came in heavy as well....Changed the recipe with a little experimenting and BOOM! Came in 12# over his max range. :banghead:
Post by: dbeaver on March 06, 2025, 08:24:42 AM
Glued up one bow this past fall but working out of bins and tripping over piles of this and that got old.
Shop is ready for the action when glass gets in.
Post by: Watsonjay on March 06, 2025, 08:32:33 AM
Quote from: dbeaver on March 06, 2025, 08:24:42 AMNice! Wish I had a shop like that
Ive been a ghost here while you guys are putting some serious efforts in. Waiting on some materials and while I'm waiting I finally unpacked my shop since moving this summer.
Glued up one bow this past fall but working out of bins and tripping over piles of this and that got old.
Shop is ready for the action when glass gets in.
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Post by: Longcruise on March 06, 2025, 03:25:04 PM
QuoteI ordered 2 rolls of Bearpaw but it not here yet either.
Any thoughts on the qulaity you are expecting?
Post by: Kirkll on March 06, 2025, 03:29:36 PM
Quote from: dbeaver on March 06, 2025, 08:24:42 AM
Ive been a ghost here while you guys are putting some serious efforts in. Waiting on some materials and while I'm waiting I finally unpacked my shop since moving this summer.
Glued up one bow this past fall but working out of bins and tripping over piles of this and that got old.
Shop is ready for the action when glass gets in.
Wow... A naked shop! You would be wise to think about insulating a portion of that baby and building a mezzanine and spray booth with 10' ceiling on one end so you can hang an arctic curtain in winter and heat a section... I think back when i had bare walls like that and sure wish id have given it more thought and insulated more of it.... I did my lowered ceiling height later on and regret i didn't do more insulation before i filled it with work benches and wood. It wont take long to fill that baby up.... Congrats on the new shop!
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Post by: Watsonjay on March 06, 2025, 06:56:35 PM
Quote from: kennym on March 06, 2025, 06:44:02 PMwhat do you use for saw blades?
It's a 17" Grizzly, been a good one so far, cut miles of laminations...
Post by: Kirkll on March 06, 2025, 08:05:58 PM
Quote from: dbeaver on March 06, 2025, 03:32:39 PM
I'm on that train Kirk, everything is modular and on wheels until I can get those features squared away. Still need electric out here I'm running on the skeleton setup
How far from the house to the shop are you? Do you plan on running a welder? Reason i ask was that i was able to run a conduit underground about 30 yards to the house and used some 8 gage solid copper wire i had from changing out our well pump wire years ago. That well pump is a 3HP motor that is 450' from the 220 volt power source. I changed out the std. meter base at the house to a meter main base so i had a seperate circuit going to the shop and used an old 100 amp service for the shop. I've got plenty of juice for all my equiptment.
But unless you are familiar with electrical work, i'd highly recommend talking to an electrician for different ideas on how to do it safely. My neighbor just built his new shop a few years ago, and just ran a new overhead 200 amp service to the shop, and the electric company hooked it up. My shop was too far from the road to do a direct hook up without setting a pole.
I built my 36X36 shop back in 96 and put a wood floor in it. Kirk
Post by: dbeaver on March 06, 2025, 08:22:14 PM
Post by: Kirkll on March 07, 2025, 09:36:56 AM
Quote from: kennym on March 06, 2025, 05:41:46 PM
Had a couple minutes waiting on ups so did a bit to keep me out of trouble with swap boss so here's a pic :biglaugh:
Are you using the same blades for ripping lams as on that swing jig?
I did a lot of riser footings with a swing jig years ago. I've still got a couple hanging on the wall someplace that I mount my router on.
I had a big job years ago that had about 100 radius top windows and doors to build surrounds and casing for. There were even a few completely round windows. Big Spanish design mansion on the river. That was a fun job. They brought me in early and I taught the framers how get the rough openings built correctly, then came back in the finish stage and did all the trim and two spiral stair cases. There were very few guys out there that wanted to mess with radius work, and I made double wages doing it.... Fun job
Post by: kennym on March 07, 2025, 06:31:57 PM
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on March 08, 2025, 11:55:57 AM
Kyle
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on March 08, 2025, 01:59:24 PM
And that looks great!
Kyle
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on March 08, 2025, 02:15:49 PM
Kyle
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Post by: Watsonjay on March 08, 2025, 04:54:13 PM
Quote from: Noah70 on March 08, 2025, 04:41:38 PMThats cool adding the riser stripe into the limb tips!
Got the pointy ends done today. Interestingly - all lams were from adjacent slices, all thickness perfect, even the thickness of the limbs after glue up at 3 locations was within 1/2 of a thousand, width identical, etc. But one of the limbs was 3/4" stiffer at initial tiller. Anyone ever had that happen? Sanded out fine, but never had that happen before.
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 08, 2025, 06:34:04 PM
Post by: 4 point on March 08, 2025, 09:05:19 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on March 08, 2025, 09:54:30 PM
Quote from: Watsonjay on March 08, 2025, 04:54:13 PMQuote from: Noah70 on March 08, 2025, 04:41:38 PMThats cool adding the riser stripe into the limb tips!
Got the pointy ends done today. Interestingly - all lams were from adjacent slices, all thickness perfect, even the thickness of the limbs after glue up at 3 locations was within 1/2 of a thousand, width identical, etc. But one of the limbs was 3/4" stiffer at initial tiller. Anyone ever had that happen? Sanded out fine, but never had that happen before.
Quote from: Watsonjay on March 08, 2025, 04:54:13 PMa taper slide during glue up? Maybe that doesn't happen on takedown limbs? I've never made any. Yet!Quote from: Noah70 on March 08, 2025, 04:41:38 PMThats cool adding the riser stripe into the limb tips!
Got the pointy ends done today. Interestingly - all lams were from adjacent slices, all thickness perfect, even the thickness of the limbs after glue up at 3 locations was within 1/2 of a thousand, width identical, etc. But one of the limbs was 3/4" stiffer at initial tiller. Anyone ever had that happen? Sanded out fine, but never had that happen before.
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Post by: Jon Lipovac on March 10, 2025, 06:33:06 PM
Since I missed weight so terribly on the intended bow, I was forced to switch gears.
I had a beautiful walnut riser block layed up with a black actionwood flare. Layed up limbs with carbon on the back and black belly glass.
Riser has a thinner G10 I-beam in it that Im gonna try to cover on the back with full overlays and on the belly, I plan on full over lays except for the grip. This one hit in the weight range nicely.
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on March 10, 2025, 07:08:05 PM
Kyle
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on March 12, 2025, 06:41:11 PM
Kyle
Post by: Buemaker on March 12, 2025, 07:06:36 PM
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on March 12, 2025, 07:21:16 PM
Kyle
Post by: Watsonjay on March 13, 2025, 04:20:30 PM
Post by: kennym on March 13, 2025, 04:24:49 PM
I may have a little time this weekend ...
Post by: Watsonjay on March 15, 2025, 11:54:26 AM
Post by: Kirkll on March 15, 2025, 12:49:47 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on March 15, 2025, 02:15:06 PM
Quote from: Kirkll on March 15, 2025, 12:49:47 PMbetter safe than sorry???
Putting another layer of clear glass on the overly is over kill really. That maple and coco would have tied those limbs together just by themselves. .02 cents worth.
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 15, 2025, 02:43:19 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on March 15, 2025, 03:50:21 PM
Quote from: Kirkll on March 15, 2025, 12:49:47 PMI will keep that in mind next though, thank you.
Putting another layer of clear glass on the overly is over kill really. That maple and coco would have tied those limbs together just by themselves. .02 cents worth.
Post by: kennym on March 15, 2025, 04:14:43 PM
I glued the first one up :laughing: :laughing:
Post by: Kirkll on March 15, 2025, 05:27:02 PM
Quote from: Watsonjay on March 15, 2025, 03:50:21 PMQuote from: Kirkll on March 15, 2025, 12:49:47 PMI will keep that in mind next though, thank you.
Putting another layer of clear glass on the overly is over kill really. That maple and coco would have tied those limbs together just by themselves. .02 cents worth.
I never cared much for the way glass overlays feather out when finish sanding myself. To each his own i suppose....
Doing recurve overlays on the curl of the limbs like an external tip wedges, i pre- sand those to a feather edge and glue them on while laying up my limbs.
Those overlays come out with a very smooth transition doing it like that, but you need to take great care sanding the extra epoxy at the transition point by hand using a block. i've screwed up a few trying to use my palm sander... :banghead: :banghead:
Post by: Watsonjay on March 15, 2025, 05:33:48 PM
Quote from: Kirkll on March 15, 2025, 05:27:02 PMI just did them with my dremel with a flap wheel on the attached wand. It works good on the tip overlay transitions as well. You still have to be careful.Quote from: Watsonjay on March 15, 2025, 03:50:21 PMQuote from: Kirkll on March 15, 2025, 12:49:47 PMI will keep that in mind next though, thank you.
Putting another layer of clear glass on the overly is over kill really. That maple and coco would have tied those limbs together just by themselves. .02 cents worth.
I never cared much for the way glass overlays feather out when finish sanding myself. To each his own i suppose....
Doing recurve overlays on the curl of the limbs like an external tip wedges, i pre- sand those to a feather edge and glue them on while laying up my limbs.
Those overlays come out with a very smooth transition doing it like that, but you need to take great care sanding the extra epoxy at the transition point by hand using a block. i've screwed up a few trying to use my palm sander... :banghead: :banghead:
Post by: Kirkll on March 15, 2025, 08:25:56 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 15, 2025, 08:35:09 PM
Post by: Kirkll on March 15, 2025, 10:41:43 PM
Quote from: Crooked Stic on March 15, 2025, 08:35:09 PM
I prefer glass or composite on overlays next to glass. And wood on top.
Linen phenolic looks decent with wood on top..... I'll bet a have 400 pcs of glass 12'' long from limb cut offs. i just never use them much for overlays. If somebody wanted some i could send some for the cost of shipping.
Kirk
Post by: Watsonjay on March 15, 2025, 10:51:48 PM
Quote from: Crooked Stic on March 15, 2025, 08:35:09 PMI normally wouldn't use glass, but I cut through the belly glass for the handle and wanted to make sure it was strong.
I prefer glass or composite on overlays next to glass. And wood on top.
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 16, 2025, 05:34:16 AM
Post by: Kirkll on March 16, 2025, 10:01:38 AM
A few years ago I used to trim my recurve limbs with my carbide tip bandsaw, and had a whole bucket full of those scraps.it was Halloween time and I got inspired to build some what I called Static Tip spiders.... Check these things out..
https://photos.app.goo.gl/1S11EVekd9Gh8KmY6
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 16, 2025, 10:31:41 AM
Post by: kennym on March 16, 2025, 12:17:09 PM
Got her glued up and had a slippage on lams on one end , was afraid it would screw up the splice being centered right but luck was with me . Found that it was the glass that slipped and not veneer.
Pic for the week ...
Ignore the shop dirt and also some dust on limb ...
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Post by: Watsonjay on March 16, 2025, 12:31:58 PM
Quote from: kennym on March 16, 2025, 12:17:09 PMI like. Going to be a sharp looking bow.
Roy,Roy :biglaugh:
Got her glued up and had a slippage on lams on one end , was afraid it would screw up the splice being centered right but luck was with me . Found that it was the glass that slipped and not veneer.
Pic for the week ...
Ignore the shop dirt and also some dust on limb ...
Post by: John Scifres on March 18, 2025, 02:05:52 PM
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Post by: Crooked Stic on March 19, 2025, 04:26:03 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on March 19, 2025, 04:50:31 PM
Quote from: Crooked Stic on March 19, 2025, 04:26:03 PMits already 58" amo
May be able to pike it depending on the eight now. If already light weight you may not gain enough.
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 19, 2025, 08:32:06 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on March 19, 2025, 08:53:41 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 19, 2025, 10:12:25 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on March 19, 2025, 10:35:12 PM
Quote from: Crooked Stic on March 19, 2025, 10:12:25 PMwell, I'd really like it to be perfect.
I don't think they have to be perfect. Just serviceable
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Post by: Crooked Stic on March 20, 2025, 10:55:14 AM
Anyhow I think it will live. And a good looking rig to.
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Post by: Watsonjay on March 20, 2025, 08:53:47 PM
Post by: kennym on March 20, 2025, 08:57:39 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on March 20, 2025, 09:20:17 PM
Quote from: kennym on March 20, 2025, 08:57:39 PMnext time I wipe clear down with acetone, I will pay more attention I guess.
Sure looks like it is in the glass, but if you wiped it down with(? ) I would have thought it would show up then. :dunno:
Post by: kennym on March 20, 2025, 10:03:57 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on March 20, 2025, 10:07:45 PM
Quote from: kennym on March 20, 2025, 10:03:57 PMThanks for the tip, I will have to do something like that.
Dale Stahl told me years ago to lay clear on a black surface sanded side up and you will find MOST of the imperfections . I have black phenolic on the bench and run every piece on it but some you still don't catch ...
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 22, 2025, 03:25:31 PM
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Post by: Watsonjay on March 23, 2025, 11:30:15 AM
Quote from: Noah70 on March 22, 2025, 06:21:47 PMThat looks really good. 👍🏼
Certainly is a soft beginning to this event this year. But I'm done - all parts are finished and curing for a week. So no photo's till they come out of the booth. Then I may not ship till things look like they are moving along, just to keep it interesting. But here is a teaser - this is her twin sister.
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 23, 2025, 11:33:48 AM
Post by: kennym on March 23, 2025, 11:39:24 AM
Post by: Watsonjay on March 23, 2025, 11:49:06 AM
Quote from: kennym on March 23, 2025, 11:39:24 AMWell at least your getting somewhere. Ive done a lot and haven't gotten anywhere. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: About to start on third bow.
I'm a little slow this year(be quiet Roy) but do have limbs profiled and tillered, weight is great at 144@90" ... :biglaugh:
Post by: Roy from Pa on March 23, 2025, 01:41:49 PM
Quote from: kennym on March 23, 2025, 11:39:24 AM
I'm a little slow this year(be quiet Roy) but do have limbs profiled and tillered, weight is great at 144@90" ... :biglaugh:
Ok but it's gonna kilt me:)
Post by: Watsonjay on March 23, 2025, 10:42:33 PM
Post by: Jon Lipovac on March 24, 2025, 08:32:13 AM
Stik, thats some great looking maple, one of my favorites.
Watsonjay, you got this! We have all been there.
Got my victims bow tillered and hit weight, pic is at 28"
Got the grip shaped the way I like it, hope it fits my victim, and now shaping the riser for aesthetics.
Post by: Watsonjay on March 24, 2025, 08:41:17 AM
Quote from: Jon Lipovac on March 24, 2025, 08:32:13 AMThanks. Hopefully third times the charm.
Looking sweet Noah. Can't wait to see the actual swap bow, I'm sure its really nice.
Stik, thats some great looking maple, one of my favorites.
Watsonjay, you got this! We have all been there.
Got my victims bow tillered and hit weight, pic is at 28"
Got the grip shaped the way I like it, hope it fits my victim, and now shaping the riser for aesthetics.
Post by: Watsonjay on March 24, 2025, 04:17:02 PM
Post by: Buemaker on March 24, 2025, 04:32:36 PM
Post by: Noah70 on March 24, 2025, 05:00:36 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on March 24, 2025, 05:08:24 PM
Quote from: Noah70 on March 24, 2025, 05:00:36 PMnot if I enjoy it first. :biglaugh:
Wicked static hook on those limbs - Very Nice! Great full draw flex as well, should be a very snappy design. I think I'll enjoy it!! :goldtooth:
Post by: Jon Lipovac on March 24, 2025, 05:29:34 PM
I'll find out how it shoots this weekend, first 3D shoot of the year this Sunday.
Post by: Kirkll on March 24, 2025, 09:51:13 PM
Quote from: Jon Lipovac on March 24, 2025, 05:29:34 PM
Yes Bue, it has tip wedges. 6.5" .030-.000
I'll find out how it shoots this weekend, first 3D shoot of the year this Sunday.
I like the hooks on that baby and how those limbs are bending too. I'll bet that one has a sweet DFC chart, and puts some smoke on those arrows... Shoot low brutha. That one looks hot!
Post by: Jon Lipovac on March 25, 2025, 12:34:17 PM
Its common practice to final finish in Matte. If you were my victim, would you like to see this in Matte or a glossier Satin finish (Semi-Gloss)?
Post by: dbeaver on March 25, 2025, 12:35:54 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on March 25, 2025, 01:41:51 PM
Quote from: Jon Lipovac on March 25, 2025, 12:34:17 PMIf I'm lucky enough to be the victim matte or satin is fine with me.
A few teaser pics with first coat of finish going on.
Its common practice to final finish in Matte. If you were my victim, would you like to see this in Matte or a glossier Satin finish (Semi-Gloss)?
Post by: Noah70 on March 25, 2025, 01:58:52 PM
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Post by: kennym on March 25, 2025, 06:57:55 PM
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on March 25, 2025, 09:02:21 PM
Personally I'm good with anything that's not glossy. Matte, satin, doesn't matter to me
Kyle
Post by: Kirkll on March 26, 2025, 01:06:47 PM
Quote from: Watsonjay on March 24, 2025, 04:17:02 PM
I was going to follow his layout to the T but then thought about using bamboo on back and maple on belly. Any opinions about how that would affect weight and performance? Seems like the maple would add poundage over bamboo??
Ive been using a bamboo back & maple belly on my recurve bows for years and i think it's the perfect combo. You get higher tension from bamboo, and better compression from the Maple.
I think you'll find very little difference in Maple back and bamboo back poundage wise on a glass or carbon backed bow....
But putting bamboo on the belly side of a higher draw weight recurve could drop the draw weight a bit due to compression theoretically. I've actually never tried using bamboo belly on a recurve limb, so i cant actually say i have measured the difference. But i know Maple has better compression qualities.
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on March 26, 2025, 08:09:50 PM
I got a little more work done finally. I still need to twist up a string and shoot it in while tweaking in hand tiller. But I got the bloodwood nocks roughed out enough to shoot.
Kyle
Post by: Crooked Stic on March 27, 2025, 05:16:15 PM
And all I like is finishing up
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Post by: kennym on March 27, 2025, 06:39:52 PM
Granddaughter here this week is my excuse. :goldtooth:
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Post by: dbeaver on March 28, 2025, 11:27:10 AM
Finally got out to do a proper fit. Going to glue an accent strip of black stabilcore on the backside of the riser blank and when I glue up the bow I'll put 36 inch sections of stabil core as the center lam and extend it over the belly ramps to frame the riser in a black line.
Need new EA40 forgot to check my expiration dates so I'll make more progress when that comes in.
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Post by: Roy from Pa on March 28, 2025, 11:54:57 AM
QuoteHow come this thread instead pinned at the top of the page?
Pay attention ole man StickyPOP's
:laughing:
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Post by: Watsonjay on March 28, 2025, 07:24:52 PM
Quote from: Noah70 on March 28, 2025, 06:57:33 PMMan that looks really good. Especially like what you did to the arrow shelf.
Pulled her out of the booth, string on, brace is perfect, weight is dead on, hell, the whole thing is perfect or I couldn't send it ! But I won't yet, not headin' for town for bit, too much work around the place at this time of year. So here's some pics, the attractive assistant is out so no full draw shot, but the draw is smooth and the shot is pure.
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Post by: BO-R on March 29, 2025, 08:57:34 AM
Who ever recieves your bow will be very happy!
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on March 29, 2025, 09:31:01 AM
Just gotta finish shooting in and do some cleanup before the finish starts. But she's quick. I havnt chronographed yet but I would guess solidly in the mid to upper 160fps with a 500 gr arrow.
Broke one arrow on th first shot by glancing the plywood that squeezes the foam for my target
Kyle
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on March 29, 2025, 11:14:27 AM
Kyle
Post by: Noah70 on March 29, 2025, 12:46:28 PM
Kyle, thats beautiful work, and in my mind truly defines the term "traditional"!! :clapper: :clapper:
Post by: John Scifres on March 29, 2025, 09:53:44 PM
Quote from: Burnsie on March 18, 2025, 05:47:19 PM
John - I like your caul for shaping your stave. I notice the back of your limbs are rounded or almost like half of a hexagon. Does that shape run all the way to the fades or start about mid limb out to the tips.
Just saw this Burnsie. I am using Dean Torges' faceted tillering method. It does run the length of the limbs.
Post by: John Scifres on March 30, 2025, 01:20:07 PM
I still have a bit of correction to do. We'll see how that turns out.
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First time I've used accents that wide in a riser
Can't decide if I like it as much as I thought I would ...
Post by: Watsonjay on March 30, 2025, 04:43:33 PM
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on March 30, 2025, 09:52:12 PM
I'm getting the last couple coats of truoil on. I think I've got all the coats needed at this point. I just need to buff it once dry, apply the markings after double checking weight and apply a quick coat of satin lacquer. In the mean time figure out what kind of handle wrap to do. I've got a few ideas in mind but nothing solid yet
Kyle
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Kyle
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Post by: kennym on April 03, 2025, 08:34:20 PM
Travis you'll see it soon enough... if you're the right victim ! :biglaugh:
I need to shoot it some and maybe chrono it. Oh yeah , and sand and spray it...
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Or give me a size in decimals?
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Post by: Noah70 on April 09, 2025, 08:32:41 PM
Beautiful Work Jon !!! Can I get it with the brass bushings? :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
Post by: kennym on April 09, 2025, 09:02:58 PM
I haven't started on the string yet. Are we on a hold on shipping?
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 09, 2025, 10:23:22 PM
I do think mine will be ready to spray by the weekend. But prolly not be done until after the doc sez I am ready.
Post by: EvilDogBeast on April 10, 2025, 08:47:11 AM
Quote from: kennym on April 09, 2025, 09:02:58 PM
Awesome bow Jon!!
I haven't started on the string yet. Are we on a hold on shipping?
For now, yes. I'll update my tracking sheet when I get home from work tonight and see where we are. I suspect enough people are done, or close to done, to start sending them out.
Post by: kennym on April 10, 2025, 12:10:27 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 10, 2025, 01:28:22 PM
Post by: 4 point on April 10, 2025, 01:35:21 PM
Post by: kennym on April 10, 2025, 02:00:20 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 10, 2025, 06:13:56 PM
I reckon I,ll make a string to.
Post by: Noah70 on April 10, 2025, 09:56:03 PM
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 11, 2025, 06:59:03 AM
:pray: :pray:
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 11, 2025, 07:32:44 AM
Post by: EvilDogBeast on April 11, 2025, 02:21:35 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 11, 2025, 02:26:57 PM
Post by: Jon Lipovac on April 11, 2025, 02:39:23 PM
Chris, I'm good to ship now or later.
Post by: dbeaver on April 11, 2025, 03:05:43 PM
Post by: kennym on April 11, 2025, 03:30:24 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 11, 2025, 08:04:11 PM
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Post by: Noah70 on April 11, 2025, 08:30:10 PM
I'm all ready to ship any time or hold, Chris, don't care which.
Post by: kennym on April 11, 2025, 08:47:02 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on April 11, 2025, 09:12:39 PM
Post by: 4 point on April 11, 2025, 10:35:24 PM
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on April 12, 2025, 11:25:07 AM
I had to refilled the English longbow. I must've had it on the verge to whip tillered, after sanding the tips got soft. About 5# weight loss later the tiller looks better and feels good to shoot. More finish going on it now. I can't do much to doll up the bow itself on this one. So I may get a little creative on the handle wrap. I've got some fun exotic leathers and tools to process leather lace. So I may let myself have fun.
Here's the adjusted tiller.
Kyle
Post by: EvilDogBeast on April 12, 2025, 02:12:52 PM
Post by: kennym on April 12, 2025, 02:23:52 PM
Saw some baler twine along the road tho... :bigsmyl:
Post by: EvilDogBeast on April 12, 2025, 04:22:20 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on April 12, 2025, 04:43:40 PM
Post by: kennym on April 12, 2025, 04:55:28 PM
Just kiddin Chris
Post by: Watsonjay on April 12, 2025, 05:49:27 PM
30@120
30@130
30@140
45@150
That's my heat schedule. You think the gradual is unnecessary? Should I just jump to 150 for 2hrs?
Post by: Watsonjay on April 12, 2025, 07:17:52 PM
Post by: EvilDogBeast on April 12, 2025, 07:58:00 PM
Quote from: Watsonjay on April 12, 2025, 05:49:27 PM
That's my heat schedule. You think the gradual is unnecessary? Should I just jump to 150 for 2hrs?
When doing aerospace composites, we use a ramp rate of 3° - 5° per minute. While you would be slow on the ramp-up compared to us, we also don't have to deal with air bubbles because we vacuum bag everything. If I had heat strips for my form (please PM me a link :laughing: ) I would do ambient for 2 hours to de-gas, then 90° for 30 minutes just in case, and then straight to 150° for the recommended cure cycle.
Post by: Watsonjay on April 12, 2025, 08:27:39 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 12, 2025, 09:42:03 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on April 12, 2025, 10:28:44 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on April 12, 2025, 10:50:39 PM
Quote from: Watsonjay on April 12, 2025, 10:28:44 PM
I was just reading the ea-40 directions and it said to do a graduated increase in temp. Didn't follow to exactly as it said to take to 185. In dont think any of us do that.
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 12, 2025, 10:54:47 PM
Post by: Buemaker on April 13, 2025, 06:02:28 AM
Post by: Roy from Pa on April 13, 2025, 07:35:32 AM
EA-40™
*NOTE: Product Packaging May Vary
EA-40™ Clear Amber Epoxy is an unfilled low-viscosity epoxy adhesive that can be spread easily in thin films that are almost transparent after curing. EA-40™ has a long pot life and cures in 24 hours at room temperature to provide good mechanical and electrical properties. Mix ratio is 1:1 by volume. When mixed 2A:1B by volume, EA-40™ will achieve greater heat resistance and improved physical properties. EA-40™ is versatile and can be used for many different assembly and repair applications ranging from electrical potting to jewelry assembly to repairing plumbing fixtures. Bow makers have come to know EA-40™ as a tremendous laminating resin. EA-40™ provides highly moisture resistant bonds meeting the performance requirements for Federal Specification MMM-A-188, Type III.
I've used it for years on my wood bows and cure it at 85 degrees over night and never had a failure of the glue joint.
I'd imagine the glass bow guys like a little hotter temps though.
Post by: Watsonjay on April 13, 2025, 08:40:39 AM
Post by: OldRawhide42 on April 13, 2025, 08:49:44 AM
Thanks I might give them a try.
Post by: Watsonjay on April 13, 2025, 09:02:36 AM
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Post by: Watsonjay on April 14, 2025, 04:47:50 PM
Post by: Jon Lipovac on April 14, 2025, 05:30:51 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on April 14, 2025, 05:46:33 PM
Post by: kennym on April 14, 2025, 06:36:08 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 14, 2025, 07:33:39 PM
Post by: kennym on April 14, 2025, 08:19:58 PM
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on April 14, 2025, 09:53:48 PM
Kyle
Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on April 14, 2025, 11:48:24 PM
Kyle
Post by: Jon Lipovac on April 15, 2025, 02:22:32 PM
Post by: kennym on April 15, 2025, 04:07:27 PM
I never thought of using the tape (military grade 100 mph tape) backwards. Worked great on the riser, but the limbs nested together with the sticky side meeting in the middle was a different story. Thought I was gonna break them so I got them started apart and carefully cut my way to the other end!! :laughing:
Once I got the bow out I was in awe. I've never built a bow that nice. Fit, finish wood selection, it has it all. Like Bo Derek, she's a 10, maybe an 11!!
I will get a full draw pic tomorrow if I can find my camera in the sock drawer (for you old timere here...)
Thank you Jon for a super sweet bow Sir!! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Post by: 4 point on April 15, 2025, 06:21:52 PM
Post by: Watsonjay on April 15, 2025, 06:34:12 PM
Post by: Crooked Stic on April 15, 2025, 07:45:00 PM