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Title: Old Bear Recurve Question
Post by: Dutch152 on May 18, 2008, 07:39:00 PM
I have an old Fred Bear Polar recurve that belonged to my father. The markings that are hand written on the side near the grip are as follows

A
MX380
64"
47#

The length and weight I understand.

Can anyone tell me anything about this bow (year, where made). I sent an e-mail to Bear Archery but the guy who answered back couldn't tell me much.
Title: Re: Old Bear Recurve Question
Post by: Jeremy on May 18, 2008, 08:22:00 PM
Pics would help, but my money is on pre 1960.  If it has a bunch of deflex in the riser it's a '59 or '60.  If it's right OR left handed and no deflex it's a '57 or '58.  If it's right AND left handed it's a '55 or '56.

The Polars are a highly underated bow (based on fleabay prices anyway).  I love shooting mine (a '55, '58 and '59) and they'll all be in the woods with me when it's their turn  :)

I think they went to a 66" bow in '61, and a 'his' and 'hers' model in '62... nothing in 64" though.
Title: Re: Old Bear Recurve Question
Post by: Jeremy on May 18, 2008, 08:24:00 PM
While we're talking about Polars can someone shed some light on the '55-'58 Polars with the riser laid up like a Kodiak.  You know, with the purpleheart trimmings.  It seems all of those I've seen were marked at something other than 28", so are they the custom ordered ones?  I love to get my hands on a '57 laid up like that in 50#+  :D
Title: Re: Old Bear Recurve Question
Post by: Dutch152 on May 18, 2008, 10:48:00 PM
I'm not real sure what you mean by "deflex". Can you explain? I'll get some pics for you guys

Thanks.
Title: Re: Old Bear Recurve Question
Post by: Horney Toad on May 18, 2008, 11:42:00 PM
I think deflex is referring to some curvature in the limbs as opposed to straight limbs with curved tips.
Title: Re: Old Bear Recurve Question
Post by: Jeremy on May 19, 2008, 07:55:00 AM
Here's what I mean by deflex
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/fliksr/bear1.jpg)
There's a curve toward the archer coming off the riser.  That's my '59 above.

Here's my '55:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/fliksr/5455Polar.jpg)

There's just reflex coming off the riser - it's constantly bending away from the archer.  The '57-'58 has nearly the same profile as the '55-56, but is right or left handed as opposed to dual shelf.

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Old Bear Recurve Question
Post by: Dutch152 on May 19, 2008, 09:05:00 AM
Jeremy,

Mine looks just like yours in the second pic. It bends away from the archer. The bow is right handed only.

I'll post some pics tomorrow.

Thanks
Title: Re: Old Bear Recurve Question
Post by: Jeremy on May 19, 2008, 09:47:00 AM
A '57 or '58 then.  The difference between those two are pretty subtle and varies depending on the time of year they were built  :)   You've got the sow bellies and the rounded vs scalloped sight windows to tell 'em apart  ;)
Title: Re: Old Bear Recurve Question
Post by: Dutch152 on May 20, 2008, 07:25:00 AM
Okay guys, I've got the pics but I can't figure out how to send them. How do I find my URL?
Title: Re: Old Bear Recurve Question
Post by: TRAP on May 20, 2008, 08:00:00 AM
There is a tutorial in the PowWow section on posting pictures.  

I download pictures into Photobucket (free website) and then Copy the URL from there and Paste them here.

Trap
Title: Re: Old Bear Recurve Question
Post by: Dutch152 on May 20, 2008, 08:49:00 AM
Here are the pics of the bow. Let me know if you need anything else.

BTW: Thanks Trap.


(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/dutch152/bow005a.jpg)
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/dutch152/bow004a.jpg)
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/dutch152/bow001.jpg)


Is the "1953" the patent date?
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm203/dutch152/bow006.jpg)
Title: Re: Old Bear Recurve Question
Post by: Jeremy on May 20, 2008, 09:42:00 AM
A 1957 Polar in really good shape!  The 1953 is the patent date.  I'll check the brace height on my '58 when I get home, but it should be somewhere around 6-1/2".
Title: Re: Old Bear Recurve Question
Post by: Migra Bill on May 20, 2008, 09:55:00 AM
That is a very nice looking '57 Polar. According to the 1957 Bear catalogue it sold new for $32.50. Great find.
Title: Re: Old Bear Recurve Question
Post by: Dutch152 on May 20, 2008, 10:26:00 AM
Thanks for all the help guys.

Jeremy, I've got the BH set at 7 1/2". I was  told by others it should be between 7" and 8 1/2". Please check it for me and let me know.
Title: Re: Old Bear Recurve Question
Post by: Jeremy on May 20, 2008, 10:49:00 AM
That's definitely too high!  Until '59 all the Bears were still using the old 'fistmele' brace heights, in the 6-7" range depending on bow length.  The old Bears more closely resemble selfbows than the new highly deflexed recurves in that regard.
Even the 64+" 1959 Kodiak Specials are only supposed to have a 7-8" brace height according to the catalog.

Drop the brace down an 1-1/2" little at a time and you'll find that it'll get noisier, then quieter, then noisy again.  The sweet spot should be somewhere in the 6-3/8" to 6-5/8" range if I'm remember correctly (for both my 55 and 58).  You'll pick up 5+ fps over bracing at 7-1/2" as well.  :)
Title: Re: Old Bear Recurve Question
Post by: Dutch152 on May 20, 2008, 10:53:00 AM
Thanks, I'll work on it today.
Title: Re: Old Bear Recurve Question
Post by: billy shipp on May 20, 2008, 05:21:00 PM
I just wonder how many Bear bows from the 50's are still shot on a regular basis?
Title: Re: Old Bear Recurve Question
Post by: Dutch152 on May 20, 2008, 08:09:00 PM
I was wondering the same thing. I shoot mine almost everyday and plan to hunt with it this year.
Title: Re: Old Bear Recurve Question
Post by: Takedown on May 22, 2008, 09:47:00 AM
Hi Dutch152, (and all!)
I have a '59 polar too, 64", 49#. Shoots great, and I agree, very underrated bows. I also shoot and hunt with a 1952-53 Kodiak K-4, static tipped,
(non-alum lam!) at 53# @28". Great bow, suprisingly fast! Just got a new Bear tape on quiver I will use on it.

I am addicted to all things vintage, it is really nice to be able to collect and use this neat old equipment! I dont feel handicapped at all with this gear.

Harry.