just wanted to post here and let everyone know that soon you will be able to purchase Silver Flame Broadheads here in North America .
Marcus has been kind enough to allow me to sell them here in North America . they are in the mail from Germany as i write this . when they arrive will be posting prices on my website and will post here and on Pow Wow .
will do my best to provide good service -- herb
Sounds good, Herb. I got info from him about blades but hadn't done anything yet.
hope to have them soon . will have 3 weights .will sure like to get them in my hands .--- herb
Sounds awesome!
Maybe you could offer those Silver Flames in a one pack so I can afford one to try :knothead:
Maybe you could post some pix of them??
Which 3 weights, Herb?
Berrnie ,
will get some pics as soon as they arrive or will look for some to post .
have 125Gr , 150 gr and 180 gr .will be what i have in this first shipment . have them coming with shipment of Vario Clippers . will help with price a bit .they are expensive but the best in world as far as i know ----herb
What I've read sure sounded good to me. Only thing is I use 145s (wood and alum) and 160s (carbon). Might be able to get by with the 150s if I can figure it out. We'll see. Thanks, Herb.
Bernie, you could add a couple of the brass washers (5gr ea) to get it right. I've got a pack in my archery box that you wouldn't believe the number of times I've had to replace after showing someone how to fine tune point weight. People always end of sayin, I gotta get me a pack of those. I get mine from 3 rivers.
Yes, Herb, I just got a couple of packs a week ago from 3 Rivers so I could bring a 140 Montauk up to 145 (so I could try it - for kicks, as I like the two blade better, I think - using Eclipse mostly). I wasn't sure how many "washers" you could get away with on an arrow/head though. It would only take one on the 155s to 160 though. They (the washers) seemed like a good thing to have around to me.
Bernie ,
not that i got a chance to try them on game YET . but on my carbons have brass inserts , 175 gr Tusker Aztec with aluminum insert so have 310gr. up front and fly like a dart LOL going to see how they work on pigs in Fl or Texas this winter . also want to try Concords , silver flames and OutBacks .looks like i need to get a lot of pigs .---- herb
Hmmmm - rotsa-ruck! Hope ya do it to it. I will probably get some of the Silver Flames from you. I was planning on getting at least a pack and it is easier this way than throug the money exchage thingie and all. Sharpening most blades cramps my hands bad and even then I am not very good at it.
Tuskers are not sharpened so you make the edge your self .do it watching TV LOL.never had any luck sharpening broadheads until i had to in order to sell them .they sure will strip hair LOL .
nice thing about a doz. tuskers . leave 6 unsharpend for practicing with !! nice inexpensive 2 blade head in several weights .
Thanks Tom .----- herb
That's right, now I remember that one of Herb's posts was where I read about the Tusker's. I think I had his site bookmarked before my computer crashed (twice) a couple months back. I bookmarked it again now - thanks. I am a little bit like Littlefeather in his "How To" on sharpening Grizzlies (I think it was his) - whoever it was felt if a BH mfg knows there is something lacking in there BH (Like wrong angle) why don't they fix it before they sell it. I agree - I don't see why they don't sharpen them (for what all of them cost) - so at least all you would have to do is resharpen them after you dull them - or replace them if you can't, or don't want to. It is like software for computers - they put it out knowing it has bugs - and then fix the bugs later - maybe. Oh well - sign of the times. I know there are a lot of folks who love to sharpen things. That still shouldn't let the mfg off the hook on the initial product's condition.
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SilverFlame Broadheads (http://www.german-kinetics.com/html/broadheads.html)
Sorry about that last post, didn't work right. This is the link for the Silver Flame broadheads homepage. There is a link on the bottom of the page to a section called "Details" This will tell you everything you want to know, and more. You will see why it is the finest made broadhead on the market.
P.S. I am a student of Metallurgy and can appreciate the details of the materials used in the making of this head; they are some of the strongest materials out there and he uses them to perfection. Good Hunting!
Hmmm - it's working alright on my Mozilla Firefox Browser and I bet it would on Netscape Navigator but to the best of my knowelge MSs Internet Explorer (The Big Bopper - NOT!) doesn't respond to animations. Neat display and it interests me to note that the outside shape of the SF is very like my current favorite Eclipse BHs , which was patterned after the old... oh shoot the name of that very popular BH has just escaped me. Oooops it came back - Journeyman.....(I think). Anyway, you folks probably know.
Bernie or a big old Pearson Deadhead . always liked the way they looked .going to be a long wait --- herb
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(from the web site)
Blade
Material: X90CrMoV18
Internationally also known under the ASTM designation 440 B. You will recognize that alloy from high-grade hunting knives as well
In actual bowhunting practice you will appreciate the first-class combination of edge-retention and easy resharpening.
The blades are a ready to use right out of the box! That's right, both the assembled broadheads as well as the replacement blades are razor sharp and will take the hair off your arm effortlessly.
Handle with the utmost precaution!!
SAFETY FIRST AND ALWAYS!!
A CNC-Laser cuts the blades from a tool steel board. The thickness of 1.80mm (.071") and the grinding of the cutting edges are made in a CNC wet-grinding process to preserve the hardness of the steel. No other manufacturer offers this blade strength!! Prior to this process the blades are bead-blasted and vibratory ground.
The blades are precisely tempered to 55-57 HRC.
In order to ensure a homogenous molecular structure of the steel, the blades are then subzero quenched in a special cooling chamber.
The final process in achieving razor sharpness is accomplished by de-burring of the edges on a wheel containing elephant leather and a special polish paste.
The rear blade (trailing edge) is not sharpened at the factory. This feature serves the intended purpose, as well as the rounded off ferrule, an easier arrow retraction.
All blades have a cutting diameter of 1-1/8" to meet all relevant hunting laws and regulations worldwide.
The treatment of the blades is made by a specialized company for high-quality industrial knives in Germany's "knifemaker capital city" SOLINGEN. (http://www.german-kinetics.com/assets/images/SF_180_bladeblue.jpg)
Blade design (http://www.german-kinetics.com/html/geometry.html)
Last post but one of the best. Take the time to read what makes the blade so good.
"The arrow penetrated both scapulars without any problems and without any defects whatsoever to the arrow or the broadhead. The spinning straightness was still perfectly intact as well. The sharpness of the blade had been left with a smoothing effect; however always still sufficient, in order to shave the hair at the lower arm.
The backstop target, which actually is a high-density foam target with a thickness of 8", has been fully penetrated by the broadhead both times either (see last picture below)."
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"We all know the various tests, broadheads to be submitted and the appropriate publications in some specialized magazines and on websites. One in particular shoots broadheads at steel drums, plates, tires, frozen stumps, plywood, bricks etc. Now, those tests maybe impressive for some guys but we are not going to hunt cars, trees or rocks.
Mentioned above tests show only tendencies regarding the stability of a broadhead but do not state anything at all over their potential concerning the actual intended purpose. It is technically no problem to design a broadhead which you can shoot heedlessly a 1000 times against a marble block until all your arrows are broken but it might do a lousy job at animal tissue.
In order to furnish an adequate proof of the structural integrity of my broadheads, I have tested the lightest model, the SilverFlame 125grains, at a penetration test in genuine animal tissue.
The hardest, which can happen to a broadhead in the view of its original area of application, is a hit on the scapular of extremely large and tough game. For this purpose I selected a fresh scapular of a 850kg (1870lbs.) heavy cattle as a potential target.The second test was accomplished at the scapular of an adult pig. "
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Dear TradGang members,
thank you very much for the nice comments. I just can't find the words to let you know how much I appreciate that.
I'm sure no serious bowhunter will ever regret the decision to shoot a SilverFlame broadhead.
Herb is my very first dealer on the North American continent and I'm very proud of that fact.
I still don't make broadheads for a living but I guarantee the best service for my products.
Each single broadhead gets assembled, spin-checked, finally sharpened, quality controlled and packed by myself.
If you ever have a problem with my broadheads, let me know and I will fix it. No debate.
By re-reading the posted text of my website, I realized that I have to revamp that site a little bit.
The leather stroping is not longer made on a wheel since this year. I found out that I can get the edges even a bit sharper by stroping them on a flat piece of leather by hand. That takes much longer and my arm gets tired after stroping 2 dozens of broadheads but quality is everything what counts for me.
I'm a firm believer in a correlation of edge retention and lethality of a broadhead.
I like to say "my broadheads cut on contact and still after exit".
We all know that a cleanly sliced wound channel will cause a higher rate of hemorrhage (spell?) than a ripped hole caused by a broadhead which lost most of its sharpness already on the first rib.
The same correlation is existing if we take a look at blood trails, imo. Although twobladers (or singlebladers) are considered not to leave a bloodtrail as good as multibladers do, I always could follow the red trail easily and never received any complaints by my customers.
I give a warranty of at least 50 shots into a standard foam target like "The Block" or similar and my broadheads will still take the hairs of your arm effortlessly. On a hunting trip you can always make a couple of practice shots with the SilverFlame broadheads before the hunt starts just to feel comfortable with the equipment without the necessity to resharpen the head.
What really bothers me is the current exchange rate of EURO and US$.
Most of my bowhunting stuff is american made and I can buy it real cheap these days but for US and Canadian customers it turns the price of my broadheads into a hair-raising dimension. I deeply apologize for that situation but you'll surely understand that this is a "thing" I can't control.
However, I'm still convinced that no serious bowhunter will ever consider his decision to give the SilverFlame broadheads a try as a waste of money.
Yours in bowhunting
Markus
Thank you Markus and Extremist . looks like you both have done my job for me!!
i know from previous experience that i need to have the product in hand before i start talking about it but i get excited LOL .
a couple of hunts this winter will allow me to test them for myself :D . sounds like a good excuse don't you think ------ herb
Great helpers you got there, Herb - LOL Markus was a big help when I inquired and his post above should stand a good chance of convincing anyone who possibly can to try the SFs at the very least - cost or no.
What kind of a target date are we speaking of, Herb? This season, next Spring, Summer, next season? Now "cut" that out!
Silver Flames are a work of perfection.I did a review on them and i am very impressed.The sharpness is unmatches and they stay sharp too.
I shot them from compounds and trad bows with great acuracy.
They went thru a moose shoulder blade with ease and were still razor sharp.[The moose was already butchered]Pictures and the review are on my site in the trad section. http://www.peteward.com
I did not have a chance to try them on living flesh,{Well yes I did but I missed!!}
This years season was a mess due to work and lac of work and limited funds to get out.They were my intended first choice for a kill test.
As for the Tuskers Herb sells they are a very good economical BH.They are not a Silver flame and the price reflects this.
You have to sharpen them unless you want to buy them pre sharpened for more money.If you want to pay someone[factory or Herb] to sharpen them they are available that way.For the guy that wants a dozen for the price of 3 in other brands the savings are available if you do it yourself.They sharpen easy and fly great.That works for me.Tusker review is also in my Trad section.
Bernie , they are in mail from Germany but it is Xmas Month also . last shipment got her in 2 weeks but will have to wait and see have a shipment of Vario Clippers shipped one week before broadheads so will give me some idea of when the broadheads will get here .hope before Xmas ;)
Silver Flames are top of the line !!
---- herb
ALRIGHT Herb! Thanks for taking the step to be the US distributor for these super heads. Of course, Markus is super to deal with but nice to know that I can order direct from you now. I have one set od Silverflames and they the best quality head I have ever used or seen.
DD77
Thanks DD77 can hardly wait and it might not be as long as i thought !! had 2 shipments coming from Germany first one got here today with Vario clippers and a bunch of inserts . they were shipped 1 week apart so fingers are crossed --- herb
Hi Herb,
Looking forward to meeting you in texas! I read all of Marcus's info some time back and have been meaning to try some of these. Looked at your web site but did not see any price info, could you give me an idea of what six 180 gr would cost Canadian. Also, it might just be my computer, but the font on your web site is real hard to read.
Thanks
Dave
Dave ,
font changed now .recieved the first shipment yesterday and don't want to let them go .
Markus is a great craftsman !!!
cost will be for 6 . $152.50 can plus taxes plus shipping . they will retail at $76.25 can and $62.25 US for a 3 pack .
sure will enjoy meeting you also .---- herb
Hi Herb,
I know what you are feeling right now. I had the same problem. I just took them out of the pack to show to people and it took quite a bit to put one on an arrow and shoot it at the target. They look so nice and are soooo sharp.
They fly just perfect. They also cut on their way out as well so that you don't rip big chunks out of the 3d target.
I am taking them with me on a hunt to Hungary and perhaps I get lucky on a stag or a Russian boar with them.
@ Markus:
Congratulations to your first dealer in N. America. I think that we too deserve your well crafted (almost to nice to shoot) broad heads.
Smile when hunting,
Michael
Mooseman ,
exactly scared to screw on an arrow because i know i will want to shoot it :D .
good luck on the hunt in Hungary let us know how you make out --- herb
are there any 210 grain in stock????
If Herb doesn't have any, check out Git-r-done archery in the sponsor list. Dennis has them right now.
Terry
I just got some 150gr.Silverflames from Vince at www.germankineticsusa.com. (http://www.germankineticsusa.com.) He just got a new shipment in a couple of weeks ago. You might want to check with him.
Bill
i have all weights in stock-- herb