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Title: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: T Mowery on January 23, 2015, 11:02:00 AM
How many are proficient with either method,at the drop of the hat? Been trying to use both in my practice sessions,but the 3 under is throwing the shots lower than split!  I have to try to remember this.Trying to be deadly either way,without any warm up's
Anyone here do both accurately?
Thanks!
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: VA Elite on January 23, 2015, 11:21:00 AM
not me
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: Gordon Jabben on January 23, 2015, 11:33:00 AM
I have a friend that has a bow with two shelves so he can shoot it left or right handed.  He shoots three finger under right handed and split left handed.  My little brain would be scrambled. LOL
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: Bldtrailer on January 23, 2015, 11:36:00 AM
I use split   :archer:   but teach new archers 3 under(faster   :archer2:   success) but I'm not comfortable changing back and forth (tried 3 under)old dog new tricks   :deadhorse:   LOL
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: Krex1010 on January 23, 2015, 11:39:00 AM
I shoot better with 3 under since there is much less gap between my arrow point and my target.  Split felt like a big guessing game for me, everytime I released an arrow I found myself praying and hoping lol. I'm pretty new to shooting trad bows but that's my experience so far.
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on January 23, 2015, 11:47:00 AM
I don't have enough time invested in 3 under to feel comfortable switching back and forth.
it makes a huge difference on my sight picture, and my anchor point is different on 3 under.

besides that... setting the bow up for 3 under it requires the arrow nock to be slightly higher than split finger for decent arrow flight.

This may sound silly to some guys, but my alignment seems to suffer from 3 under with a nose on feather anchor. I feel like i have better back tension control with a slightly lower anchor.
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: damascusdave on January 23, 2015, 11:53:00 AM
I shoot right and left handed with draw weights into the 60 pound range...I used to shoot 3 under until I found that 2 under gave me better releases...right now, after an extended period of shooting 3 finger split I am working on shooting 2 finger split...I have some left handed bows that I will always shoot with a 3 finger split release...do not let anyone tell you that an old dog cannot learn new tricks...I am 63 years old

DDave
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: T Mowery on January 23, 2015, 12:22:00 PM
I like the sight picture,that 3 under provides,but love the better accuracy (for me)that split provides.Shooting 3 under gives me ok accuracy,but I just cant get the drop down pat.Some days are frustrating,trying this,and I wonder if I'm creating more of a problem than it's worth?
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: njloco on January 23, 2015, 12:24:00 PM
I shoot split, but can also shoot 3 under, right handed only.
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: McDave on January 23, 2015, 12:39:00 PM
Some years ago, I switched from split to 3 under.  I practiced with it for a few months, and felt like it was becoming natural for me to shoot that way.  Then the first time I went hunting, I shot over the deer's back because I unconsciously reverted to split for that shot.  I think I did that because the last time I hunted before that, I was using split, and my hunting mind hadn't switched over to 3 under yet, even though it felt natural to me on targets.

Now that I shoot targets more than I hunt, I've considered face walking, which would probably include using both split and 3 under, to reduce my gaps at different distances, and would still be legal in the tournaments I shoot in.  But I haven't done that because I don't want to complicate my life, which is the whole reason I got away from shooting compounds to start with.
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: olddogrib on January 23, 2015, 01:04:00 PM
Quite a few archers who shoot longer distances use both methods and know exactly what distance to switch at in order to best utilize their new "point on".
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: Msbow on January 23, 2015, 01:25:00 PM
when I started out I shot 3 under. Then I switched to split for about 4 years. Then I switched back to 3 under about 2 years ago.I shoot all over the place when I try to switch them back and forth during the same shooting session
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: njloco on January 23, 2015, 02:48:00 PM
If you shoot split and use your middle finger as an anchor or you shoot 3under and use your index finger,they're both the same, they put the arrow at the same level to your eye, maybe that's why I can do both without much bother.
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: reddogge on January 23, 2015, 10:51:00 PM
I hunt and shoot 3-D split but indoor 3 under.
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: BWallace10327 on January 23, 2015, 11:05:00 PM
There are times (like now) that I am not hunting and only shooting 300 Indoor leagues and am tempted to shoot 3 under, somehow aiming and upping my score a little bit.  Then I have to remember why I shoot the way I do in the first place.  Instinctively snap shooting with a split finger grip has proven to be a great method for both 3d shoots and hunting, although I think if I were to shoot a 3 under gap or point of aim style I believe my consistency and scores would improve.
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: sheepdogreno on January 23, 2015, 11:15:00 PM
I can't shoot split well...for some reason I can't find a consistent anchor shooting split
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: lone hunter on January 24, 2015, 10:57:00 AM
Can you do both with the same bow? Doesn't it have to be tillered for one or the other?
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: Krex1010 on January 24, 2015, 07:06:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by BWallace10327:
There are times (like now) that I am not hunting and only shooting 300 Indoor leagues and am tempted to shoot 3 under, somehow aiming and upping my score a little bit.  Then I have to remember why I shoot the way I do in the first place.  Instinctively snap shooting with a split finger grip has proven to be a great method for both 3d shoots and hunting, although I think if I were to shoot a 3 under gap or point of aim style I believe my consistency and scores would improve.
Just curious why you think shooting split is better for hunting when you admit you think your accuracy and consistency would improve shooting 3 under? 3 under doesn't seem inherently slower or more cumbersome to me. I'm not trying to debate you, I'm pretty new to trad shooting and just would like to hear more on your reasons for choosing the split style.
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: bentpole on January 24, 2015, 07:32:00 PM
3 under for me exclusively.   :archer2:  Been that way for almost 20 years!
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: tracker12 on January 24, 2015, 08:36:00 PM
I switched to 3 under this year and am very happy with the results.  However, I have an old bear recurve that I still shoot split with.
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: McDave on January 24, 2015, 08:46:00 PM
Ione, there is going to be an optimal method of shooting any bow, based on the tiller of the bow.  However, you can vary from that optimal method quite a bit without noticing any adverse effects other than perhaps an increase in noise.  The extreme would be string walking, where the string hand is placed inches away from the nock point depending on the distance to the target.  String walkers are known to be very accurate shooters, to the point that the method is banned in many traditional archery tournaments.
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: Jake Scott on January 24, 2015, 11:08:00 PM
I'll join saying that shooting 3 under isn't specific to gap shooting or face walking or whatever aiming method one chooses, and adversely split finger isn't specific to instinctive.  

I shoot 3 under, purely instinctive.  I switched because I can feel my anchor better, plain and simple.  It most likely has something to do with how my face is shaped, in my best estimation.  Regardless it works better for me.  

I PERSONALLY don't see the any reason in switching back and forth between the two.  Like McDave pointed out it seems to be a recipe for disaster in a hunting situation.  That, however is just me.  Individuality is a resounding theme in traditional archery.

Jake
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: zepnut on January 25, 2015, 09:41:00 AM
Tried 3 under went back to split finger.
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: Timbuck2 on January 25, 2015, 10:31:00 AM
I'm slowly going to three under after thirty plus years shooting split.

It all started when I could not shoot a kodiak mag with split fingers. I switched with that bow and now find myself shooting three under with my other bows.
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: BWallace10327 on January 25, 2015, 11:53:00 AM
Krex1010- I have very little difficulty putting ONE arrow where I would like it shooting split fingered, instinctively snap shooting.  I like to throw out a can and shoot it with blunt points and stump shoot. I don't know why by my ability to put an arrow where I want it without thinking about the range goes away when I shoot 3 under and can see the arrow more clearly.  I shot my turkey last spring in the base of the neck at 31 yards (purposefully) and my doe at 39 (ranged after the fact)snap shooting split fingered, but the distance was not on my mind.  When hunting I have 2 ranges, in or out of range. Knowing the range exactly seems to hurt my shooting.  I like to think to my self "I'm going to make this shot", not "I'm going to make this X yards shot". However, I have shot some pretty abysmal groups at 20 yards shooting NFAA or Vegas targets when instinctively shooting.  Shooting 3 under, for me, seems to force me to aim, atleast a little bit, and I can't so readily disregard the range of my target, so if all I shot was 20 yard paper targets I think I would score alot better if I shot 3 under while hindering my hunting shot ability.
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: lone hunter on January 26, 2015, 08:03:00 AM
Thanks David, just bought a bow tillered for 3 under and was told it would have to be retillered but it seems to shoot fine split. Mike
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: hart2hart on January 26, 2015, 01:15:00 PM
Use both and some hybrids to get my recurves,longbows,NASP Genesis bows to shoot OK.
The bow will tell you.It's up to my P brain to remember which one I'm shooting at the time.
Mike
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: Tradcat on February 05, 2015, 05:10:00 PM
I've been going back and forth for over 12 years. Here's what I've found. Although I like how quiet my bow shoots when shooting split, I have to admit that I struggle with a consistent anchor point shooting that way. There's no question that I shoot more consistently going 3 under...especially inside 20 yards. I do not like the extra noise when shooting that way but I have come to this conclusion. Since I am a bow hunter first and a 3D shooter second, it is more "ethical" to shoot which ever way gives me the best chance to harvest an animal with an acurrate shot to insure a quick clean kill. What difference would it make if the arrow got there silently but wasn't in the vitals ? Therefore, I will make the commitment to shoot 3 under and do my best to silence the bow as best I can. I owe that to the animals that I pursue !
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: Carpdaddy on February 16, 2015, 09:17:00 PM
Both, split most of the time, 3 under on close shots only. Not sure why, tried it and it worked for me.
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: threeundr on February 21, 2015, 10:13:00 PM
I traditionally shoot 3 under but I can shoot split as well. It just takes some time to set up the bow. I tend too go through seasons when I shoot better one way than the other.
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: gavelguy on February 22, 2015, 11:44:00 AM
I started traditional around two years ago shooting split for first year, switched to 3 under (Rick Welch Style) for about 7 months and switched back to split. They both work well for me and I could not say one was more accurate or consistent than the other, but I find split is a quieter release for me.
Title: Re: Split/3 Under,How many do both?
Post by: koochiepie on February 23, 2015, 05:15:00 AM
I'm 3 under. I can't afford enough arrows to try and learn split   :knothead: